Data Protection Breakfast Club

Stay on top of the latest and greatest about data protection and privacy with hosts Andy Dale, Counsel at Alyce and Pedro Pavón, Privacy, Ads, and Data Policy at Facebook, we will meet up with our friends (revenge of the privacy nerds) in the data protection ecosystem to talk 80s, deep dive and ramble along on all things data privacy.

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Featured: Season 3 Episode 11

Animaniacs

Today the job of General Counsel at Lyft might seem straightforward like other public company GC roles. But when Kristin Sverchek took the gig it was anything but typical. Ride sharing was not ubiquitous in fact it was questionable, even if it had a bright future. And, Uber had staked a big market position. The legal issues surrounding Lyft were and are novel and complex. No Kristin isn’t a “maniac” or “animal” or some combination thereof. But, she is a multi-faceted, thoughtful GC who can play many different roles - like the characters of a variety show. Lyft as a company is always presenting new, unique challenges (variety) - Kristin likes it that way.
Previously on Breakfast Club:
Season 1
Season 2
Season 3

Episode 1

32 min

The Breakfast Club

“You see us as you want to see us in the simplest terms, in the most convenient definitions.” In this pilot episode, Andy Dale, General Council at Alyce and Pedro Pavón, Director and Senior Corporate Counsel at Salesforceshare their passion for being personal and how they are both raising the bar for the data protection industry to keep personal data well … personal.

Episode 2

33 min

Summer Rental

"Come on thru. I'm Joe Public, welcome to my beach." Julia Shullman, General Counsel & Chief Privacy Officer at TripleLift, populates her social media with images of joy in beach towns around NY. What better movie to reflect her life balance than Summer Rental a John Candy classic. Julia is one of the most technical GCs we have come across and we will discuss her approach as a startup lawyer, CPO and business advisor.

Episode 3

36 min

Ferris Bueller's Day Off

“The question isn’t what are we going to do, it’s what aren’t we going to do”? This is very relevant for the story of Jules Polonetsky, CEO Future of Privacy Forum and his journey from real estate law, to politics, to AdTech and now to running what may be the foremost data privacy thinktank in the world.  He’s done it all and rarely takes a day “off.”

Episode 4

32 min

Blade Runner

“I’m not in the business, I am the business” With the dystopian backdrop of Bladerunner, our guest is Professor Eric Goldman, an outspoken critic of the CCPA and CPRA.  We go deep with Eric on the CCPA process, CPRA development and why these laws may not improve consumer privacy.

Episode 5

32 min

Labyrinth

“Well, if that's the way it is done, then that's the way you must do it"

Practice in advertising issues in the US can often feel like wandering a maze of regulatory rules, enforcement actions and nebulous provisions. Luckily Alysa Hutnik who leads privacy and information security at Kelley, Drye & Warren is masterful at weaving through and finding practical solutions for companies big and small.

Episode 6

32 min

Footloose

"Hey, hey! What's this I see? I thought this was a party. LET'S DANCE"

Vice President, Deputy General Counsel, Product & Privacy at Twitter, Stephanie King, talks about Twitter’s principled belief in free expression. Stephanie believes in expression deeply and it has guided her on her career path and in her personal life.

Episode 7

32 min

The Goonies

“Goonies never say die.” Jurgen Van Staden has had a winding, twisting adventure, like saga of the Goonies. The Goonies is the theme here because the movie represents friendship, loyalty, risk-taking, and a rag-tag team, all themes of Jurgen’s work and life.

Episode 8

32 min

Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back

“Would it helped if I got out and pushed?” – Leia Organa

Our guest is Carl Gottlieb the “GDPR Guy”. Regulators are strapped for cash, but need to be thoughtful about regulatory enforcement. Big platforms have infrastructure and money to resist. Often different parties wonder…”would it help if I got out and pushed”?

Episode 9

32 min

The Three Amigos

Our guest is Vivek Narayanadas. These three Data Privacy and Culinary Amigos talk defending the data subject rights of the villagers of Santa Poco from the evil El Guapo (also known as the CCPA).

Episode 10

32 min

Wall Street

"The most valuable commodity I know of is information." Andy and Pedro are joined by Evan Bienstock and Jennifer Stanley. The 1987 movie Wall Street romanticizes deal-making. In reality, Tech companies, financing deals, M&A, IPO are incredibly unromantic. They are often just plain and simple hard work - especially where there are complex data issues at play.

Episode 1

32 min

Here I Go Again

"Here I go again" Andy and Pedro talk to Mark Kahn, GC at Segment, known for jumping into complex tech companies again and again - and producing exit worthy companies like WhatsApp and now Segment. He was a pivotal contributor to the legal team at Yahoo and other companies along the way.

Episode 2

53:46

Don't Stop Believing

"Don't Stop Believing" Noga Rosenthal has been one of the lawyers at the center of the advertising technology industry’s self-regulation movement for over 10 years. A privacy expert, data enthusiast, thoughtful lawyer, Noga is at the top of her game.

Episode 3

55:41

I Wear My Sun Glasses At Night

"I Wear My Sun Glasses At Night"

Trevor has become one of a few leading voices in the space and does so with razor sharp insight across all vectors of privacy from health to finance, adtech to AI/ML. Being a privacy leader/lawyer can feel like wearing sunglasses at night.

Episode 4

41:15

I Ain’t No Joke

Sachin Kothari is privacy royalty. He is an ad tech veteran but his experience includes many other areas within privacy. He has quietly built one of the best resumes in privacy and he definitely ain’t no joke.

Episode 5

53:30

Under Pressure

Time after time, Danielle Sheer has undertaken complex, mountainous challenges under intense pressure and come out the other side successfully. Her career defining moment may have been helping Carbonite IPO under massive pressure and scrutiny.

Episode 6

46:31

Look Away

Do litigators make good in-house lawyers and can they learn data and privacy? Derek Zolner will discuss the shift from litigation to commercial legal work and on-house counseling. “Look Away” is how many people also feel about AdTech, too.

Episode 7

35:04

I've Had The Time Of My Life

Ashley Slavik made her start in the early days of the GDPR and manages a lot of different aspects of data privacy and globally - a huge challenge. But the key is to face each new obstacle with the right attitude - remember, data is everywhere and privacy can be the time of your life.

Episode 8

52:24

Fight The Power

PE’s anthem Fight the Power is more of a personal descriptor for our friend Anjali Dahiya. She is a fighter in all the best ways we need lawyers to be fighting for people. Her career path has now taken her to a place where she can do a lot of good - Facebook Ad Policy.

Episode 9

42:44

Space Oddity

When you ask Shane Jacobs what his career goals are, he doesn’t say the normal things we hear so often. Data has played an increasingly important role in space suit development. Space Oddity is from 1969, but its such a good song we have to cheat here.

Episode 10

49:29

Forever Young

“Forever Young” has become an American anthem emblematic of the youthful vigorous spirit of the country. There is no more vigorous spirit in the privacy world than Heather Federman. She is a force of nature and is working on some of the most complex issues in data privacy.  

Episode 11

50:44

Every Breath You Take

Judy Estes has held a variety of roles in the legal leadership at Mastercard. She is a leader of teams with a practical business-minded approach. But, what really sets her apart is the ability to instantly see the bigger picture - her eye is always on the larger, more decisive business goals. She loves the song “Every Breath You Take”, it feels relevant around how she balances a busy family life with the rigor of leadership at Mastercard.

Episode 12

37:54

Video Killed the Radio Star

Gary Kibel is AdTech old school. He’s been in the privacy game for decades and has constantly stayed on top of changing tech, challenging regulation and new laws. He does it all with a sense of humor, kindness and warmth that all of this friends and colleagues appreciate. Video Killed the Radio Star is a classic 80s pop song that is a good mirror for Gary’s ability to adjust with changing tech and shifting norms.

Episode 1

51:38

Super Friends

Justin has lots of superpowers. Yes, he started a privacy focused tech company and is helping it grow rapidly. And yes, he was a litigator and corporate lawyer at a large DC firm. But, the most critical of his super powers is his ability to create a circle of friends, colleagues and people who just wanna talk shop and learn from each other.

Episode 2

49:25

Inspector Gadget

Travis LeBlanc is not a wacky inspector with goofy tools he uses to solve crimes. Travis is a deeply skilled public and private sector litigator - and that job often entails crafting Go Go Gadget arguments out of seemingly thin air, developing creative solutions and detecting innovative angles on problems.

Episode 3

52:42

Danger Mouse

Danger Mouse is often called the world's greatest secret agent, which is fitting for Sonia Zeledon’s cross-functional success and wide reaching career success. It takes incredible depth to move from firms like Skadden/White & Case into the startup world and then to dive into leading corporate compliance at bigger companies like her current role running Ethics, Compliance and Privacy at Hershey’s.

Episode 4

30:05

Back To The Future

Cillian Kieran is a future looking, thoughtful privacy technician and leader, but understands the needs of customers, lawyers, regulators and his team. He’s an inventive thinker and a repeat founder who isn’t afraid of risk, but balances business fundamentals in every discussion.

Episode 5

52:42

Voltron

For years, Scott Lashway has defended his clients from the most complex of cyber attacks. Scott runs a team like Voltron, differently than most law firm groups. He has a team approach. You won’t see his entire team on the bill, but they all weigh in on each client’s matters. The core, collective wisdom of the group is powerful. He’s the ultimate team leader.

Episode 6

52:42

The Smurfs

Vanessa Wu is a truly multi-talented General Counsel - she’s like the entire Smurf village wrapped into one Super-Smurf lawyer. Vanessa is currently GC at Rippling, a hypergrowth mode company that is changing the HR/IT software game rapidly. In that role she balances deep tech skills with top notch data privacy acumen.

Episode 7

52:42

The Snorks

As a kid David Hale was a competitive swimmer. He could have used a built-in snorkel like the Snorks had, but he had a brighter future out of the water anyway. For over 13 years David ran the privacy, IP and Security legal function at TD Ameritrade through a period of immense growth. Aside from being a fantastic mentor, David has been in the privacy game for a long time, he was an IAPP certified pro in the early 2000s before it was so cool.

Episode 8

51:01

The Care Bears

If Chris Hart were a care bear, he’d be “friendly bear”. He is affable, thoughtful and kind. Maybe that’s why it's easy for him to move through the complexity of his practice into mentoring and teaching as a law school professor. He’s also a dedicated dad and loves a good laugh.

Episode 9

52:50

Duck Tales

Ami Rodrigues is hardly Scrooge McDuck. Far from it. In fact, she maintains a pretty positive outlook in the face of big challenges. But we can’t help but equate CCPA/GDPR to hyperactive kids - in a lot of ways they are. Ami has tackled both hyperactive laws (and more) as privacy counsel to Coca-Cola and now Chipotle.

Episode 10

48:08

The Jetsons

Bert Kaminski sees into the future. Every position he has held seems to firmly embrace where the technology market is heading. Is he living in the world of the Jetsons? Does he have a sentient robot named Rosie cleaning his home and a flying car? He just might!

Episode 11

45:28

Animaniacs

Today the job of General Counsel at Lyft might seem straightforward like other public company GC roles. But when Kristin Sverchek took the gig it was anything but typical. Ride sharing was not ubiquitous in fact it was questionable, even if it had a bright future. And, Uber had staked a big market position. The legal issues surrounding Lyft were and are novel and complex. No Kristin isn’t a “maniac” or “animal” or some combination thereof. But, she is a multi-faceted, thoughtful GC who can play many different roles - like the characters of a variety show. Lyft as a company is always presenting new, unique challenges (variety) - Kristin likes it that way.

Episode 12

56:28

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles

Dennis is one of the most technically-savvy privacy policy thinkers. His depth of knowledge regarding the programmatic ads ecosystem is extensive. Dennis is an IAPP Westin Fellow and unlike many privacy pros, has been tackling privacy head on since he started his career. He is also a dedicated and outspoken champion for fairness and equality inside the privacy profession and out in the real world. He has moved between tech, policy and privacy and it has shaped his career - a lot like a renaissance artist like say Donatello? Michelangelo? Raphael or Leonardo?

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